The LNBE Podcast
Mike Rispoli presents: The LNBE Podcast. "LNBE" stands for "Literally Nothing, But Everything" and the goal is to touch on what his thoughts and opinions are…just like every other podcast...
The LNBE Podcast
Episode 45 - Nothing but Medium Mysteries and Celestial Messages
What if your childhood encounters with mysterious figures turned out to be a gateway to a world beyond the living? Join me as I sit down with Pat, a gifted medium, who shares his extraordinary journey from seeing spirits as a child to mastering the art of connecting with the departed. Pat opens up about the intriguing differences between mediumship and astrology, illustrating how he uniquely tunes into the energies of both the living and those who have passed. Through candid conversation, we unravel how mediums receive messages differently from astrologers, offering insights into the world of spiritual communication.
Our episode takes you into the heart of Pat's experiences as he recounts the profound sensations and emotions he encounters in the presence of spirits. From feeling heat to receiving messages through numbers and names, every session is a testament to the unique and impactful nature of his gift. We also explore the skepticism surrounding mainstream mediums and how authentic experiences and validations bring much-needed credibility and connection for those seeking closure. As Pat shares anecdotes of spiritual visits, he reveals how everyday symbols like cardinals and coins are gentle reminders of our deceased loved ones watching over us.
Embark on a journey through life’s spiritual lessons with us, as we ponder the challenges souls face on this earthly plane. Pat offers a thought-provoking perspective on spiritual growth, faith, and the significance of using gifts for positive purposes. We reflect on the responsibilities that come with spiritual abilities and the importance of aligning them with personal values.
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Yo, what's going on everybody? Happy Friday. I hope you all are having a fantastic week. I just want to give you guys a little bit of a precursor as to what you guys are about to listen to. Now, don't worry, there's no trigger warning needed. It's nothing like that. So don't get your panties all in a bunch. But number one, this is a little bit longer of an episode than I think you're used to hearing from me. And number two, it does get a little bit heavy in the sense that we talk about religion and spirituality. But, with that said, I hope there's something in it for everybody and I hope you enjoy the episode ahead. Yo, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the LNBE Podcast, where LNBE stands for literally nothing but everything. I'm Mike Rspoli and today I have a very special guest. I have on my first family member, my mom's cousin.
Pat:Hey guys, how you doing there? My name is Pat.
Mike:There we go. What's going on, Pat?
Pat:Not much, man. What's happening? Not much. Last time I saw you was not a great time, oh man, oh man, no, it's okay.
Mike:This time it'll be a lot better and, uh, we'll have a good time I'm looking forward to it this will be my first podcast, so I'm pretty pumped so the one great thing about pat I mean there's many great things about you. Let's be real. Thank you, thank you. But the really cool thing about you is you have a very special gift, and this gift is that you're actually a medium yes so one of the questions that I have for you is like what are the signs of being a medium?
Mike:like how, how do you know, first of all, that you are one? Because you see all these people on tiktok and they're doing astrology readings and they're talking about spirit guides and all that stuff. So what separates somebody from astrology versus an actual medium and somebody who actually can see spirits?
Pat:Got it the thing with the medium. So, as an empath, okay, which means I pick up on people's energy, and as a medium, it means that I connect with people that have passed away. Also, when I do my sessions, I also pick up on the energy around you. So there's three factors that are in play whether it's the empath, which is the energy, also the energy around you, which also means that I can be picking up on people that around you that aren't, that haven't passed, and the whole medium thing is when people that have passed that have messages With me with my medium sense, that have messages With me with my medium sense. I remember many, many years ago as a kid. I remember going walking past a cemetery and looking out and I literally can see like the silhouette of people walking in the cemetery. It was the shape of them, it was transparent, but enough for me to see that they were actually human and I was with my friends.
Pat:I'm like hey guys, you see that and my friends are like what are you talking about? I'm like right there, I'm like you don't see those people right there, next to the, you know, right, right next to the tombstone, like Pat, there's nobody there. So I kind of dismissed it and I didn't think anything about it you were seeing things like what you know, I knew that I saw something, but you know what it wasn't.
Pat:I was young, so I wasn't, I wasn't aware and I didn't understand exactly what I was seeing. So I just kind of saw that I'm like all right, I just kind of dismissed it and didn't even think anything about it you know how old were you when that first? Happened?
Mike:oh, probably, honestly, probably, like maybe nine, maybe ten so that was like the first time that you you might have thought that you had a gift that I made.
Pat:Well it's. I was wondering why I was able to see the spirits, but I didn't realize it was a gift back then okay you know, back then, you know, not a lot of people knew about mediums, not a lot of people knew about psychics or empaths or anything like that. It's just been more so what?
Mike:like the past 10 years, it's been like exploding, more so than anything else and I think that came out with like the whole long island medium correct like, yeah, it really wasn't until her yeah, like when she was on tv, that I even knew that like mediums were a real thing yeah because again, I'm thinking like oh, astrology spirits, whatever. I think like especially like I'm just going to compare this to astrology, just because that's the only basis I really have is like, how do you tell when something actually happens and you're like, oh crap, that happens. Like how do you know if something is an actual sign from a spirit or if it's just something that's coincidental?
Pat:okay. A lot of times, what happens is that you will get a feeling within when it's a message from someone else. So I'll give you a perfect example With astrology. Astrology is more on a psychic based Okay, right. So I think a lot of people have different gifts. Some people are mediums, some people are psychics, some people are empaths, some people are, you know, other spiritual advisors. You know, I don't have the astrology thing. It's interesting because in my sessions there are some things that I would talk about that do happen to people in the future, but not in astrology or anything like that. I'm more present, more about people that they have in common with, people that they want to connect with. That's what I'm in tune with more than anything else.
Mike:So, being an empath, what's some of the energy that you might pick up?
Pat:what happens is when I do a session, about 15, 20 minutes before the call, I literally sit down and I have my book with me and I meditate and I literally just close my eyes and I literally it's almost like a trance within myself where I literally have like an out of body experience where I'm super, super relaxed. While I'm having this, all of a sudden like things will come to me. So I'll start writing things down and all these things, and it happens all the time where whatever I'm writing down, it doesn't pertain to me. It pertains to my next client that I'm about to talk to.
Mike:Okay, so what.
Pat:I'll do, is that? So I'm more prepared, where whenever I speak to someone, I don't it's not a cold call, it's not me just talking to someone and be like, okay, let me see what I feel. I'm like, no, a lot of times I want to do my homework and I already have things to talk about, and while we talk about that, a whole bunch of other things happen at the same time so when you're meditating, do you do that at the place of where you're doing the reading?
Pat:yeah, a lot of times. Okay, so usually at my house. Okay, yep, I'll do it at my house, and what happens is now I will do more sessions over the phone because it's easier I used to do. How do you pick? Up on somebody's energy, the energy, regardless if it's over the phone or not, the energy exists, it's all around you. Oh, that's wild.
Mike:Absolutely yeah.
Pat:Yeah, in fact, prior to COVID, I would go ahead and do sessions with people face to face and it was great, I loved it. But when I can do session at the comfort of my own home, I'm not traveling to anybody's house, I don't have to worry about driving whatever. I am at home, I meditate, talk to the person for an hour and then I'm completely done and my job is done okay at that point on. So it's definitely more convenient for me. I think it's more convenient for the customer you know for my client but it's effective as well over the phone. It's amazing how much comes through whoa, that's freaking crazy.
Mike:So you mentioned that your first encounter was when you were about nine or ten years old. Do you remember your actual first encounter of when you're just like, oh my, my gosh, that really is a spirit Like, something like what was that experience Like?
Pat:I remember going to a wake uh what probably my teens and I remember, uh, going with my parents, going with my family, um, I don't remember if I knew the person or not, but when I went up to the casket and I saw the person, the person literally spoke to me and said oh, you know, this is how I passed. Um, this is what happened. This is my family member, that's my father, this is my mother, whatever. Who was this person? Oh, man, it was. It was a family friend of my dad's okay, so did you know them?
Mike:I didn't know the person. No, no, I just went with, I just went with my parents and this spirit just knew like hey, I can go to this person and I can relay this message absolutely. Do you remember what the message?
Pat:was, um, it was more about how they passed and it was more about them communicating with me so that I was aware and I was more in tune with their energy as well. So the fact of me going to a casket and going to awake and getting getting all these messages, I'm like all right, there's something going on here and I knew at that point. I'm like all right for me to listen to this and understand what the person is talking about, literally having a conversation, but without our mouths moving. It was like I knew at that point there was like something there, but still it was. Still I was unaware, I didn't really know about the whole medium thing. I knew there was something, but I didn't know what. So do?
Mike:you think that this first spirit that you actually truly encountered, do you think that they purposely came to you to tell you that you have this gift? Like this person has a gift, I need to let them know, absolutely.
Pat:That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, they knew I need to let them know. Absolutely, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, they knew I. You know, it's interesting because the fact that I had the gift it's because they came to me, okay, so when I do a session, as an example, it's the people, whoever it is, that want to come through. I'll automatically feel their energy and I'll start talking to them. So they know these people have passed away, know that I have the gift.
Mike:So that's why they come to me. So, um, like, how often would you like feel a presence, like could you just be walking somewhere and all of a sudden, like you just feel something, some random spirit comes up to you Like what is, or is it usually like in the sense of like, when you're talking about a client, then then a spirit specific to that client will come up to you.
Pat:It is more specific than anything else? Yes, because to me it's more effective. Because, especially if I'm about to talk to a client, I want to make sure that, whoever they want to come through, I want that person or people to come through and that way I can go ahead and give them messages and let them know specific things. When I do my sessions, I don't talk about oh, I feel your grandmother, I'm like, I am so specific. I think about numbers, I think about dates. Names come through, so much, okay. And also, what I do is when I do a session, I look at a blank wall and what happens is, all of a sudden, all these pictures, numbers, like letters start coming through and what I have to do is put them together in order to make sense, in order to connect with my client.
Pat:So if I see numbers, I'm like, okay, I have to think about. If I see 713. I'm like, okay, 713. That could be an address, it could be a birthday. If July 13th doesn't ring a bell, then I have to play with the numbers a little bit, and a lot of times it could be 3, 17, could be march 17th for someone. So it's just a matter of me looking at them and asking a bunch of questions. But I try to be as specific as possible because I love getting that wow factor where you really connect with someone that you don't know. But how do they know that I know all this?
Mike:so, actually speaking of like specifics, one of the things with the long island medium that I always remember and this is why I kind of thought she was kind of BS is because the first question they always ask did anybody have a loved one just pass?
Pat:And it's like yes, of course, like that's the whole reason we're here, like what the?
Mike:fuck are you asking me this for? So how do you get that granular? Without like without really knowing these people, like how does that all come?
Pat:through to you, okay, without really knowing these people. Like, how does that all come through to you, okay? So with me, the best with me is when I'm speaking to a client and I remember I'm talking to them over the phone. I've never met them before. A lot of my clients are all through referrals, so all I know is their first name, that's it. That's all I know, and what happens is the fact that I don't know the person. It makes it so much more effective for me. It makes it much more powerful because it opens the door to so many different things as comparison to like say me and you do a session, you know it's like I know a lot about you. So what I need to do is I need to ask specifically people that pass. I'm like OK, what can you tell me of things that Mike and I have not spoken about? So things that can really really pinpoint to make it really valid.
Mike:I should yeah yeah so like when you do feel a presence. You said that, um, it feels different in ways, but how does it feel like? How do you know that there's a presence? Somebody there yeah, how do you physically feel? Okay? Then also how do you emotionally feel?
Pat:okay. So what happens is the energy. There's a couple of different factors here. What happens is usually most of the time I'm going to say about 90% of the time when I'm doing this session, when I feel the energy is really super strong. My body is on fire, literally to the point where I'm starting to sweat, because it means that the spirit is literally right next to me and I'm feeling their energy. So my body, like my whole back, my arms, literally my arms turn red and I start to sweat, and that's a big sign of the energy being right next to me.
Pat:Also, what happens is and it's happened many times as well where I'm looking at my wall, all of a sudden I see something, and I've done it, where I did it with a session with a woman who lost her fiance and all of a sudden he presented himself to me and I knew all about him. He was a fireman and I knew, and it's like everything, and I was able to, uh, pinpoint the color of his hair you know what color his eyes are and it's like he literally came through me in a human form. Enough for me to talk about him and tell the client all about the person who passed away so what?
Mike:so I see them too. What's like one of the most general messages that these spirits? Is it based on what the client's looking for, or is there also something that a spirit's trying to convey to these people? Because usually when you see these things on tv, it's usually because, oh, spirit hasn't given this this message. They need to say this in order for them to pass on. So what's like a generalized message of like what people are trying to encounter or trying to get out of it, for both the spirit and the person? A?
Pat:lot of times people want to know if that person is still around them, and that's like 99% of the validation that people are looking for.
Pat:So what happens here is in order for that to happen. I don't just tell a person, say, oh yeah, the person's around you, I'm like no, no, no, I will give them specific signs. So a lot of signs are. I have a unique situation with me personally where someone I know passed away and he came to me in a dream many, many times and I felt his energy a lot and he showed me dimes. So I would find random dimes in like the most awkward places. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. I bought a pair of jeans last week, in fact, and I was going through the pockets and I opened it up and I was just thinking about him that day and said, oh wow, you know, I haven't received a sign from you in a while. You know, I hope you're doing well, I hope you're doing OK. Also, I go in my pocket and there was a dime pair of jeans Like what are the chances of that happening?
Pat:That's crazy. It is crazy, I know so. So when you look at it, it's like is it? No, these are signs that people give us, letting us know that they're around.
Mike:So, if they are, because everybody I mean especially me being Catholic you as well we believe in an afterlife, we believe that there's a heaven, absolutely so if we believe that these spirits are meant to go on to an afterlife, what keeps bringing them back down, like, how do they come back down to tell us these messages?
Pat:How do they come back down? Wow Okay.
Mike:So why do they come back down to tell us these messages? How do they come?
Pat:back down. Wow, okay, so like, why do they come back down? Like is it's to let us? You know, the hardest thing in life is to lose someone you know, life is hard, as is right.
Pat:So the thing is, because life is so hard, we already experience, um, the the passing of loved ones, and which makes life that much harder. And the thing is, when people come through and they use the gift of a medium, what happens is that, you know, our job is to create some sort of peace and make them real, make our clients realize that our loved ones, just because they're not physically here, they are always around us. There's no doubt about that. I get signs all the time. One of the biggest things I have to tell you is, whenever I go to Italy, right before, about two to three weeks before I go to Italy, my grandparents, my mom's parents, always show up in the dream and I know, and I can just see them, and it's not. I remember them coming through. I don't know what we spoke about, but I do remember them coming through and it's just their sign of being so happy, the fact that I'm going back to see the family.
Pat:So, going back to the thing about the afterlife and how they come in from heaven, what happens here is, you know, honestly, the interesting thing is we don't always know how they come back so quickly and how quickly they transport from one spot to another, or from one family member to another, depending on their location. The thing is, they're around us. All the time I feel people that passed away like randomly I can be in my car, I could be, you know, shopping or whatever I'll just get like a sense of heat and I'll know that somebody is around me. A lot of times, too, is I will get a feeling of them speaking to me, but I feel it within. It's not about me, it's not about words, it's not about my mouth speaking. It's about feeling their energy and them talking to me literally through my soul.
Mike:Yeah, so actually going like a little bit back, yeah, with that encounter that you had with the person at the wake, you said that you weren't physically speaking to them, correct? So how were you communicating with them? Was it through your mind?
Pat:Literally. Yeah, it was literally through my heart, it was literally from inside. So literally, it's like, you know, when you have a gut instinct about something and you're when you're like you have a gut instinct about something and you're about to do something and something inside is like no, don't do it. Yeah, that's the same thing. So it's. It's that feeling within and it's literally. Sometimes I'll hear their voices, but in a case like that specifically, I remember I was just staring at the person and literally we're having a conversation back and forth without me even opening my mouth.
Mike:So, then, the only so is it when you're on these sessions, is it you're quiet for a second because you're trying to listen?
Pat:and have this conversation. Yes, absolutely, yep, yep, oh, that's crazy.
Mike:Yeah, yeah, so then the only time you do speak is when you're conveying the message.
Pat:Correct. Absolutely, that's crazy, yeah. So I could be in the middle of a sudden. I'm like, okay, wait, hang on one second, and I'm literally just hearing someone saying something and then I will just go ahead and just relay the message. That's wild, yeah. Yeah, but I try to be as specific as possible. I want to be as specific as possible because I don't believe in being vague when it comes to being a medium. It's like the more specific you are about things, the more true you are, because the fact that you're listening and you're connecting those, really those strong words and that strong energy to that person.
Mike:So just going back to that afterlife question, the only reason I even brought that up is because back in 2019, my grandfather passed away and you came over to my parents house.
Pat:I was living at Rhode Island at the time, so I was not there but I heard this story and I was amazing.
Mike:You've actually never even told me this story. I want to hear it from you, sure, um, you sat down. From what I know, you sat down in the chair that my grandfather used to always sit in at my parents house I was drawn to that chair so badly and something happened. Now I don't remember what happened, but yeah can you take me to? Because, from what I do remember, from what my parents relate to me, he did mention that there was an afterlife and my grandfather was the most religious person in the world like you guys think I'm bad like.
Mike:This guy was really like yeah so do you remember that encounter and can you take me through it?
Pat:yeah, um, I don't remember the whole thing because it just there was so much energy going on, but I remember your parents wanted me to talk about, you know whoever came through. And I remember when I walked into the kitchen, I remember just looking at that chair, I'm like I need to sit here. And that's when your parents were like, wow, that's the chair that your grandfather would sit in. I said good, and then all of a sudden I end up getting this insane amount of heat and I was starting to sweat even. I remember your mom was like do you need a tissue? You like you need a paper towel. It was visible sweat and and I'm like, yeah, I'm like your father's here.
Pat:And all of a sudden I looked at your dad. I said you know, your father is giving me a nickname. He kept saying the nickname. There's something with a, b like, a bub like. But I mean he keeps telling me a name, but he's like he keeps, keeps repeating it, but it's not making sense to me. And then your dad was what was it? Was it booby, buffy, buster?
Mike:Buster, buster, and my grandfather used to call me that. Oh, buster, yeah, yeah.
Pat:So there was something with the B, so like that was validation right there, the fact that I was sitting out of all the chairs to sit in the table. Why was I drawn to that one? It's because your grandfather wanted me to sit in that chair, because his energy was right there.
Mike:And now, do you also remember what happened during that encounter too, with what my grandfather said? I know this was years ago.
Pat:Man, honestly, I know your parents, you know it's interesting because I do so many sessions. Yeah, I don't remember everything that goes on with that.
Mike:Do you remember From what I was told? Because I wasn't there, but what I was told was my grandfather did mention that there was an afterlife.
Pat:That there was heaven.
Mike:And it was something along the lines of like earth is actually hell, do you remember?
Pat:We talked about it. Yes, absolutely.
Mike:So earth is actually hell and then heaven is somewhere else, correct, and I don't know what that was yeah and I don't remember what he said where it's like if, essentially, if you are deemed to go to hell, if that's where your soul ends up, you actually just end up staying on earth on earth?
Pat:yeah, absolutely so. So give you a perfect example. So so earth and the reason why I say it's hell. It's so like when people think of hell, they think about the devil, they think of the fire and stuff like that, but think about the life that you have created here. It's like we work our butts off.
Pat:There's so much going on. There's so much responsibility. Unfortunately, there's in the world. There's so much positivity, but there's also a lot of negativity as well.
Pat:There's a lot to deal with in this lifetime and the fact that we have to deal with losses in very, very different ways. You know whether it's a heart attack, whether it's a car crash, whether it's someone passing away in their sleep. You know so many different factors. We deal with so much while we're here, and I feel that's why, like this is our. I don't like to call it hell, but this is our. You know our challenges more than anything else. I feel, if anything, I mean, there's different layers. There's earth, there's us, there's purgatory and then there's heaven, and when you're a really, really good person. Listen, it's not about being perfect at all, but it's about being a good person and doing the right things.
Pat:Some people believe in God, some people don't. Whatever I'm not going to judge for myself I'm a very spiritual person. I know where I'm going next because of the person I am. So because of that, I have realized how much God has given me this gift and how I feel I'm literally a part of his army and I'm one of those that have to create positivity and help people out as much as possible. That's the reason why I have the gift, and I think, more than anything, if anything, I think it's because of who I am and the type of person I am. So I am like to me.
Pat:So many people wonder why I have it. In my family, my grandfather, who I'm named after, my dad's dad, had the gift as well, and he would help people out in Italy many, many, many years ago. Yeah, exactly. So it's interesting because they say that it skips generations. So it's interesting how it went from my grandfather and it went to me. So I don't know anybody else in the family that has it. So I don't know anybody else in the family that has it. But I know, being as spiritual as I am, believing in God and trying to live a good life every single day, be a good person every single day. That's what really really helps me with the whole medium thing.
Mike:That's crazy. Now, the only thing is I'm trying to figure out how I can word this question just to get more into, like I wouldn't say the spirituality, but it's more of the catholicism in me is saying if, if people have already been on earth and if earth is classified as hell just based on how we've already classified it, based on what my grandfather said, if earth is already through hell and everybody has already gone through their lives, so that means that everybody has gone through hell in their own certain way, because everybody's life is different.
Mike:If that makes any sense.
Pat:Okay, I see what you're saying. So think about this. Okay, so we're born the minute we're born. Okay, we have a soul and we have a body. God gave us this body to borrow during our lifetime. So, during our lifetime, he wants us to take care of our body. He wants us to take care of our soul. I'm not saying eating healthy, exercising, no, it's not about that. It's about taking care of ourselves mentally, physically, and being able to give our body back to God in its normal condition. Okay, do you know what I'm saying? In its perfect condition. Think about it. A baby's born. They're perfect, yeah, right.
Pat:So as we get older, what happens here is we get so distracted by so many things in life, right, and the thing is, as we get older, we learn more about spirituality, we learn more about God, we learn more about loving ourselves and learning our lessons. There are so many lessons that we get every single day. So, whether we fail at something, whether we fall or anything, and then what we do is we get up and we take it as a lesson and move on from that point on, god is constantly giving us lessons to learn every single day. What happens was, unfortunately, there are people that don't get these lessons at all, they don't understand Perfect example, like people that do really, really bad things, really bad things. Those are people that one day, when they die, if they haven't forgiven themselves, if they haven't, if they don't feel that God has forgiven them for everything they did, those people are going to go to purgatory, and purgatory is just a waiting period. So it's almost like time out for people where they need to go ahead and reflect and realize the damage that they did.
Pat:Like God put you in here for the first time, the first minute. You're born in a perfect soul and not saying you have to be perfect, but you have to take care of yourself, be a good person, live in a world where we have to take care of each other and respect each other. Again, it's not about being perfect, but it's about learning lessons and moving past it and becoming a better person and becoming a role model for people, being a mentor. You know, the better you are as a person, the more you evolve, and the more you are, the more you evolve spirituality. With your spirituality, you just get that much closer to god.
Mike:So that way, one day, when you do pass, it's like you know where you're going so then, but then for the souls that are still stuck on earth, yeah, and that, considering that they've already gone through hell I'm just gonna try and read this question a little bit they've already gone through hell, so then does that mean that their hell is actually just not being able to move forward with their own spiritual journey, so they're ultimately just stuck here?
Pat:yeah, yeah, I mean. Think about it. The human body can only live for so long, right? So people that are still here that have not learned their lessons? What happened is that once, one day, when they pass, they will go to purgatory. I'll give you a perfect example of purgatory, okay, because I know that. I went through it with a client of mine who, unfortunately, her son committed suicide.
Pat:And what happens when you do something like that? You don't go up to heaven right away. You do go to purgatory because of the fact that you realize how much damage you've caused to so many people. Right? So in purgatory, you're in this dark, dark room. It's pitch black. You can walk to the right, to your right for miles and miles and miles. You can walk to your right for miles and miles and miles. You can walk to your left for miles and miles and miles. You're in this black space that you don't even know exactly how big it is. You're in there alone, and that's your time to reflect and realize how much pain you've caused so many people, let alone how much pain you've caused yourself. What happens is God wants you to come back. He wants you to come back to heaven, but you need to learn your lesson. Until you learn your lesson and you realize that it's not about perfection, but it's about learning your lesson and being able to move from that point on. That's when he's going to go ahead and welcome you back to heaven.
Mike:So is there a way for at this point? So if purgatory is the waiting period in order to enter into the heaven, then those people that are stuck still on earth, is there a way for them to get into purgatory to reflect on what they're doing, or are they permanently stuck, like once god has made that decision? Are they permanently stuck there? It?
Pat:depends. You know people can change all the time. You know if anything honestly and it's not to be, it's not to be more of a religious thing or anything like that, but I feel that when people have darkness in their life, they need to turn to their faith and if they really believe in their faith and they really feel it within, that's when things start changing. So, unfortunately, I feel that people that do bad things it's because they don't have god in their life. They don't have a faith, and that's the sad thing about it, because we're born with a faith. God has created us. So we need to go ahead and remember that. A lot of people don't remember that.
Mike:So I think one of the last questions that I would have is just more specifically to me, because I was very close with my grandfather. I miss him every day. I'm actually kind of getting emotional like speaking about him right now but like how would I know that he is like a presence near me, like when I'm like looking for him or whatever.
Mike:There was one time I mentioned that on the podcast where I was at the bar and uh, I was like kind of still new and I got like an influx of 40 people. I was the only bartender. It was like you, you've worked at a bar. I was the only bartender. It was like you've worked at a bar you know this, you were a bartender for a little bit.
Mike:You just get that influx of like 40, 50 people. You're by yourself. You're just like what the hell am I going to do? And all of a sudden I just felt this like sense of calm and I thought in that moment that my grandfather was on being like hey, I'm here to help you.
Pat:Exactly so you, okay. Do you remember feeling that sense? Yes, do you remember having that feeling from within? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. Okay, that's a sign from your grandfather, knowing the fact that he's watching over you, the fact that he worked, you know, he owned, like he's not that bar.
Mike:Was it that bar?
Pat:No, he owned a the bar business as well. You know the restaurant business, so he knows what it's like you know getting an influence of that many people yeah so, but when you get that feeling, that's someone talking to you and saying you got this but then it's gonna be okay.
Mike:What would be some physical signs that I could also look for?
Pat:so well, like physical, like you mentioned the thing with the dimes, but like what are some like physical things that even not just me but anybody listening to me yeah that they might be able to say okay, this is a loved one that's coming through to me.
Mike:Is it something that has to be very specific towards them, or could it just be anything?
Pat:so, to answer your question with that is there are a lot of signs, okay. So, um, cardinals and blue jays are a big deal. What happens a lot of times? You'll be looking out the window, you'll be thinking of someone. All of a sudden, the cardinal or a blue jay will come up right to your windowsill and just kind of hang out and just just look at you and, yeah, literally, and it happens a lot and it's a sign from that person, it's their way of spending a little time with you, okay, um, another thing is coins are a big deal pennies, dimes probably more pennies than anything else when, randomly, someone who might have been a little tight with money or had a lot of money, whatever, it's something with specific coins.
Pat:So what happened was that you'll find a coin, you'll find a penny, usually with a head up because that's a sign from someone, and that will be completely in a random place. Okay, so you may find it in your car. You may find it like, think about, with a head up, because that's a sign from someone and that'll be completely in a random place. Okay, so you may find it in your car. You may find it like, you know, think about it. Most of us don't even carry coins. Yeah, we never do anymore, right? So when you randomly find a penny somewhere with the head up, that means that person was around you and put that in your path to let you know that person was there and they heard that you were thinking about them.
Mike:But it's an acknowledgement. The only thing I have to say about that is like, even as, like a child, like a two year old kid, everybody tells you like you see a penny that's upside up, because it's lucky. But like a two year old, most likely in most scenarios. I don't want to say that it doesn't happen, but usually they don't really have an encounter with a person who's passed on, and if they do, they might not even remember them.
Pat:Usually let me tell you so the spirits, a lot of times, when someone passes away, if there is a young person involved, they do come back to that person and they come back in the human form where that person, that kid, could see, like their grandparents or you know no well, I'm saying like, could this just be any family member for some godforsaken reason, because I remember, even like as a three-year-old, like I didn't officially deal with a death in my family until I want to say 2015, when my grandmother passed away but up until then that was the first death that I had known from my own personal life.
Mike:But I was finding coins on the floor all the time so how do I know that that's not just like oh, somebody dropped a coin, versus like maybe a previous family member that's just randomly trying to get in touch with me for God knows what reason?
Pat:But the interesting thing, you think about it too, though. It's like, why would somebody drop coins on the floor? You know, for the most part, most coins Fumbling with your wallet, yeah, it comes out. I don't know. I mean, honestly, it doesn't happen. Like I don't know, with me it doesn't happen. But you know, but like in a case, like in your situation, like think about it. Did you ever have a dream about your grandmother after she passed away?
Mike:no, I see. The problem with me is I'm really bad. I have a very bad sleep schedule, in general okay, and when I do sleep I'm knocked out.
Pat:But I don't remember my dreams. Okay, got it.
Mike:It's very far and few between where I'll remember a dream, and even the dreams that I can remember don't even relate to this conversation. Oh, wow, okay, I got you.
Pat:Let me tell you so, one of the best gifts that a lot of people, once someone passes their best gift to us, is presenting themselves in a dream. And the reason why and it's interesting because a lot of people don't remember the dreams and a lot of people remember all their dreams it really depends, I'm telling you, man, when they come through their gift is to let you know that they're okay and they're going to present themselves in the human form, because that's how you remember them but it is also a way for them to tell you instead of them, because, like some of us don't, most of us hope that our loved ones who have passed on they are okay, like we always assume that they probably either made it to purgatory, they've gone up to heaven.
Mike:A lot of the time, though, I think a lot of people are looking for validation within themselves, like am I okay? How do I know that I'm okay? Are they the ones that are going to tell me? Like it goes back to the astrology thing, but it's like this whole spirit guide thing where it's like are my loved ones telling me like yes, this is the path that I'm supposed to be on? And they're telling me that, like my life is going in the direction that it should be going, and no matter how bad things might have been going right, right, no, it completely makes.
Pat:It completely makes sense. At the end of the day, you think about this. Okay, you look at your path and God just wants you to be happy. That's all he wants you to do. He wants you to live a nice, happy life. You have to look at your path and say am I happy with it? And if you're saying, yeah, you know the way things are going right now, yeah, I'm pretty happy with it, then that means you're on the right path.
Pat:Okay, if you're sitting there and you're at a job and you don't like your job and things aren't going well and you ask yourself am I happy? And the answer is no, you're like all right. Well, then, who can change that for you? You can change that for you. So that's the only thing. So it comes to where they're here to give you direction. They're here to give you guidance. God is here to give you direction and give you strength as well. But your answers, your direction, has to start from you. Okay, okay, say, driving a car, who's going to go back there? You get into the driver's seat. Who's in control of the car? You. It's the exact same thing.
Mike:So, and this is going to be my last question of it now but um, even somebody like me I mean early october, I get laid off. I got hit with that stupid restraining order. The whole time I was just thinking like what did I do? Like what lesson?
Pat:is god trying to teach me on this?
Mike:and now I was even speaking to other people. Maybe people were like well, I don't think that it's maybe a necessarily a lesson for you, especially with the restraining order, that you need to learn, but maybe it's a lesson that the girl who gave you the restraining order is the one that needs to learn, that she can't just like do random stupid shit and hope to get away with it absolutely a thousand percent.
Pat:There's no doubt about the fact that the lesson was for her, for her to go ahead and create this. All this drama, for what? For what? For nothing exactly but then again it just kind of validates how it was meant that you were not to be with her. Oh, yeah.
Pat:Because you know, obviously she's unfortunate, she has some issues and you know she shouldn't be part of your life. Yeah, when you look back and you look at like you know, why did I get laid off? Why is this? It means that that's not the path you were supposed to be in. You're supposed to be somewhere else and be somewhere else and you have to go ahead and search for that path and that's exactly what happens with jobs. I mean, a lot of people are like why did I get laid off?
Pat:You know, a buddy of mine got. You know he was working at his job for 28 years and he got laid off and he was like devastated. He was like, oh my god, what do I do? You know he got a good severance package, but you know. But now, all sudden, three months later, he found a job and he got this most amazing job making more money. So it's like, look at what happened. You know I have this thing like. I live by this every single day. God will never close one door without opening another, which means if you lose your job, it just means that there's another job out there that's going to be so much better for you, where you're going to be so much happier and it's going to be a better fit for you. Make sense.
Mike:Yeah, no, that makes sense, I think. Unfortunately for me, my life plan is still trying to get figured out.
Pat:And that's. But listen, it doesn't matter how old you are. We're all still trying to figure out what life is all about. You know what I mean, yeah, but the most important thing is, at the end of the day, you have to look at yourself in the mirror every single day and you have to be happy with who you are. You have to be spiritually fulfilled inside, because when you are, it takes you in such a positive direction that it doesn't matter what you go through, it's going to be easier for you to deal with, trust me.
Mike:And you know what? I think that's actually a great way to end it on that positive note, but I also think that's also just great life advice in general.
Pat:But all right, pat, thank you so much for coming on. I really enjoyed this conversation. This has been awesome, thank you. How was your?
Mike:first podcast.
Pat:It was amazing. No, it was awesome. It was awesome. I'm glad that we're able to do it together. So it was perfect.
Mike:Honestly, I'm glad that also gave us an excuse to hang out.
Pat:Yeah, that's true.
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